check, does mitt romney really love big bird. seemed to get attention. people were interested in us going back and looking whether or not he really does, what is mitt romney's record on big bird? >> moving on to something a little more substantive than sesame street. not going to find a lot of people out there who think the president won last night. he really by all accounts. both side of the aisle, a lackluster kind of dry, flat, performance. is that what you are hearing as well? >> rob, the people that think the president won were the ones that were die hard in his corner or the people that are getting a paycheck from the campaign office in chicago. the president came out, a little flat, he came out on the defensive. never really able to gain his ground. mitt romney though, you have to give him credit. he was really prepared. went through the bullet point. how many times, did we hear him say, one, two, three, four. he was very, very prepared and aggressive. and that's what you would expect though when an incumbent is a debate.